My reflections on AMA08
If ever there was a conference of dichotomy for me, it would have been this one. I wanted to love it, but every time I thought I had reached that point something would happen to bring me back down to earth.
The good news
There were some really outstanding sessions at this conference. The keynotes by Andy Goodman and Neil Howe were both outstanding. Adrienne Bartlett packed the house for her great summary on why colleges need to pay attention to social media. Devin Liddell gave some great tips on building a brand in a consensus-driven organization. Kennedy Kipps was possibly my favorite of the conference with his session on driving online giving. Overall, I would save the sessions I went to were above average and definitely worth the price of the conference.
I also had some great conversations with people throughout the conference. I spent a lot of time with Tom and Drew from Innogage, and with Karine Joly. The ladies of Mindpower blew me away with a style I’m really not use to in higher education (but one after my own true heart!). These are all people who really “get it” and gave me a lot of hope that cool things are still possible in higher education. My biggest “ah ha” moment? I think it was in a conversation with Tom - “if your best friend asked you to buy her daughter’s girl scout cookies, you’re not going to say no.” I’ve been ruminating on how to apply that concept on the web ever since. Ultimately, it’s all about relationship building with your constituents. I’ve got a few ideas brewing on this concept.
The mediocre news
There were a lot of sessions on social media throughout the conference. That was great. There were also a lot of directors and other assorted higher ups at the conference LISTENING to the social media presentations. Also good. Do I think that listening is going to amount to much? No. People are still too scared and there was just enough old school information at this conference that I think people will use it as an excuse to stay inside their comfort zone. Listening is a good step, but sometimes I feel like the social media argument in higher education is similar to the standards movement on the web - a very futile effort. But we keep fighting the good fight nonetheless.
The bad news
I’ve got to do some tough love for both the AMA and the conference committee. While there were a lot of great presentations, there were also a lot of things that were very wrong about this conference. And I wasn’t the only one to take notice. Please think about fixing some of these things for next year:
- Free WiFi for registrants - You may not have known it from all the blog posts that came out, but there was actually no free wifi in the meeting rooms. I was lucky - I was given the super secret password to get on the wifi. I also know people that paid up to $100/day to get it. This is ridiculous. When you go to a conference, you EXPECT easy access to the Internet. In addition to free wifi, I also suggest you had some email checking stations into the mix for people who don’t have laptops.
- Walk the walk - You guys included a lot of sessions on social media and Web 2.0, yet when the Innogage boys tried to do the Web 2.0 thing by doing a live-stream from the conference recapping the daily events, you tried to shut them down (in addition to banning video and pictures of the sessions). Preaching giving up control and then doing everything you can to try and exert it does little to impress me. In fact, I would go so far as to call it down right hypocritical. Ditch the old school mentality - you’re the American Marketing Association. You really should know better. Please get your hands on a copy of Groundswell before next year’s event.
- Stop with the case studies! I got a ton of great feedback on my session (thanks everyone!) and the primary thing I heard was that I actually gave people stuff that they can go home and implement this week. Practical and applicable. Case studies of specific things colleges have done are the opposite of this, since what works for one college may not necessarily work for me. These types of sessions are by far the most useless I came across. Note to presenters - your audience doesn’t care about you. You’re not the cool kid. THEY are the cool kids. It’s all about them. Make sure your presentation helps them achieve what they are looking to when they get back to the office.
The bottom line
Would I come back again next year? Maybe. I would love to see more of the Twitter crowd there and less of the old school public relations folks. I’m sure they were gods during their time, but that time has passed. Then again, if some of the sessions lived to the quality I saw at the ones I cited above, I may not be able to resist a return trip, but it would be kinda like voting for a candidate as the lessor of two evils - I’ll do it but without a lot of excitement over the act.






November 19th, 2008
I KNEW you would love the ladies from Mindpower
Glad you got to meet them.
“That time has passed.” - Amen. It’s a whole new ballgame.
Great summary, thanks for sharing so much content this week!
November 19th, 2008
Thanks for the great coverage of the conference. I too was amazed about the ban on video, pictures, etc. Maybe appalled is a better word. Hopefully they will start to walk the walk.
November 20th, 2008
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November 20th, 2008
Karlyn, great points. I had a different perception about your second point - executives just listening. When the AVP for Strategic Marketing at DePaul University presents about using a social networking website to connect with parents - a session including some great tips and lessons learned and not just a case study, I see a sign that things are changing.
I guess our different perceptions also come from the sessions we attended.
You seem to focus on the road that still needs to be traveled, while I’m amazed that higher ed marketers have finally started to get moving on this topic. Same situation, just different ways to see it, don’t you think?
November 20th, 2008
@Brad - Thanks!
@Mark - I actually went beyond appalled to offended because at one point, there was definitely a suggestion that the AMA owned my intellectual property from my presentation (of course they would never say that to me but they did say it to the Innogage guys in an email) and I don’t recall ever signing that away when I agreed to do the presentation. Just them being control hungry
@Karine - I actually agree with you on the last point and am working on a post right now saying as much. However, I still feel like we have a long way to go.
November 20th, 2008
Karlyn,
IYO, what are the top 3 conferences to try and attend?
November 20th, 2008
@Tom - it depends on what you’re trying to learn. what are your goals with professional development?
November 20th, 2008
I would to see how schools (especially graduate) are effectively using permission based marketing, social media, etc
November 20th, 2008
Hmm. As a general rule, conferences usually focus on undergraduate initiatives (though one could argue that you can apply stuff that works for undergraduates to graduate students). AMA did have some stuff for adult learners I believe. eduWeb would probably be another good one. Stamats had good stuff, but not necessarily for graduates specifically. I’m not sure what TargetX is doing now with conferences and if they had material you could pull from. CASE also does a bunch of conferences throughout the year on different subjects. I don’t know if I would give you a top list - moreso would recommend you check out the specific sessions that places like this and see if you think it would be helpful to you.
November 20th, 2008
Here is a Stamats conference on ‘adult student marketing’:
http://stamats.com/events/eventdetail.asp?eventid=51
I’d suggest eduWeb as well.
November 21st, 2008
CASE STUDIES MUST DIE! I agree with Karlyn, AMA typically puts on the case studies that have no relevance to any other institution. If you through in higher ed politics and budget it alone, must case studies fail to illustrate anything other than this is what “I” did.
I would agree with Karine, higher ed has come a long way. It is still run by “old white guys” who are being dragged along. Good news is article after article points to the next several years to be an influx of a much younger administrator in higher education who will appreciate the new efforts.
Finally, to Tom, I agree with others the eduWeb Conference (Chicago next year I think) is a good one to check out and also check out the Aslanian Group’s conference. They market particularly to adult students and have spoken at several conferences.
November 21st, 2008
Thanks very much for all of your insights/ responses. I have attended eduWeb and NAGAP (Nation Association of Graduate Admissions Professionals) in the past and will check out the line-ups for those that mentioned.
Thanks again
November 21st, 2008
Hi Karlyn,
I have to wholeheartedly agree with dropping CASE studies. A CASE study leaves the burden of finding relevance on the audience instead of the other way around.
Ironic that among marketers, you’d find presenters who need to learn it’s not about them but about what the audience needs and wants. It’s important to do to the work of drawing those useful conclusions so the audience doesn’t have to.
Keep up liveblogging! I enjoy attending conferences vicariously through others.
NikkiMK
November 21st, 2008
Hi Karlyn!
I was also at AMA this year, and wish that I had broken into your awesome circle of higher ed marketers/twitters before the big event! It would have been great to meet you; it’s nice to know there are others thinking along the same lines in the industry.
My issues with the case studies in social media: Their strategy seemed non-existent/rarely explained. It was great of Carnegie Mellon to realize their audience was interested in YouTube, so that is where CMU went. But what will happen when their audience isn’t there? What is their interactive strategy so they don’t have to keep playing catch-up with technology?
November 22nd, 2008
Karlyn - While you were at AMA, I was at the AACRAO conference in Anaheim (no idea what AACRAO stands for, but it has something to do with admissions), and I too ran into the same issue with Wifi. That irks me to no end. Of course, I would have been more irked at AMA, since that was a “marketing” conference.
Also, when I read your tweets about no photos or video, I was completely amazed at that mentality. I was hopeful that perhaps the AMA was beyond that by now. Apparently not. I hope that you or someone let Elizabeth Scarborough or one of the other conference organizers know about your displeasure with that command-and-control approach.
Also, don’t give up on the old guard PR and marketing types. We can change. We’re just not as agile as we used to be. It takes us a little longer. (Ouch! I strained my hammy on that one!)
Thanks for liveblogging so faithfully throughout the conference.
November 24th, 2008
Well I hope my comment is fashionably late. I have been out of office, but I feel you summed up the conference nicely. It was great meeting you after reading many of your blogs, and I look forward to the next conference!
December 1st, 2008
Very nice summary of the conference! This was my first conference and while I think I took a lot back from particular sessions I was surprised at the number of case study sessions that failed to give me take home ideas. I think overall attending those sessions was good for my own general understanding of what my peers are doing, but that cannot be directly translated to my institution. It is really not anything for me to repeat to senior management either.
I did however enjoy your session! I wasn’t planning on going but your advertorial sucked me in! Thanks for all of the tips
December 1st, 2008
Thanks Megan! I think that case studies have the POTENTIAL to be good, but all too often people forget the cardinal rule of presenting - it’s all about the audience, not about you (the speaker). If people did a case study with an eye on helping the audience achieve it at their institution, only including a brief overview of what they did at theirs to give context, I would be more supportive of it. Unfortunately, most of the time it just turns into “look at us and how cool we are!”
I’m glad the advertorial worked! I was very skeptical of them…plus I had to go after the singing women and felt mine was so lame in comparison!
December 1st, 2008
Actually for your feedback it was your advertorial’s mention of how you were going to give us take home pointers… how validating to your points.
Also you mentioned the Obama email campaign and I followed that closly from a personal standpoint. After the election my boss also mentioned that I should do some research on his tactics so I figured you might have already done that for me! What’s in it for me, right? So, thanks again!
December 1st, 2008
hahaha right! Stay tuned because I’m working on a gallery of all the campaign emails that were filling my inbox for months to put on the site! I’m one of those crazy people that NEVER deletes email so I thought I would take it and put it to good use
February 9th, 2010
[...] I just returned from my first trip to the American Marketing Association’s Symposium on Higher Education, but based on what I’d read and heard about the 2008 symposium, I’d have to agree with Tom’s assessment. Last year’s conference did not seem to embrace social media, especially attempts to live-stream or live-tweet sessions. (Karlyn Morissette addressed those issues in her 2008 conference wrap-up.) [...]